Coincidence, Free Will, God's Will or Meant to Be?
Surely all of us have those unique, unexplainable moments in life, when something happens, we pause and wonder what it is all about. For example, during two of our family trips years ago, one in Hawaii, another in Paris, we saw a couple of our neighbors, rushing across the street. What are the chances of seeing someone from the neighborhood, you know, in front of the Paris Opera House? Another may be that a sick relative, suddenly becomes well, and we hear ourselves, saying, thank God. Other times, when we have an important meeting to attend, our car will not start, or we may find ourselves being caught in traffic, or stopped for a ticket, and conclude, "this is just my luck." Some of us believe that these events are serendipitous, leaving us with awe or in some instances anger and frustration. Or maybe with the recent tragedies in Israel, London, or Iraq, or with someone we know, struck by illness or worse death, we say, why does this have to happen.
Here is the question of the day: How do you explain the unexplainable? Is it the result of God's will, the unraveling of the mysteries of life, bad luck, being spiritually connected, or the universe working exactly as it is supposed to be, whether we like it or not?
Thank you for your minds.
Here is the question of the day: How do you explain the unexplainable? Is it the result of God's will, the unraveling of the mysteries of life, bad luck, being spiritually connected, or the universe working exactly as it is supposed to be, whether we like it or not?
Thank you for your minds.


17 Comments:
Everything that happens in life is for a purpose. We may not always appreciate God's reasons for doing things, but I believe that ultimately all that God does is for a purpose. He may want us to stop and consider what the purpose is, and many times if we think deep enough we may just figure it out!
There is a Hasidic tale told of a group of people sitting and discussing what they would do different if they were God. They were all giving their opinions when the Rabbi came by and joined the discussion. He said " If I were God, I would do NOTHING different. As God knows exactly what he is doing. If we changed one iota the whole world balance would crumble"
God bless you Babs.
Peace!
Nj from NJ
I blame the chaos butterfly.
I love your comment, Aaron, and I am going to write it and paste it next to my computer, and, pass it on! Beautiful words.
Can't decide what to call it when things happen anymore -- how would anyone really know if they think long enough about it? I like to think there is a purpose (otherwise, what good is anything?), I'd like to think it's God's will (makes it seem like it was thought out carefully and for a reason). Mostly I go with it happened because it happened and now I go from there ... what can I learn and what can I do now with what happened.
When people get too enamored of the meaning of coincidence, either in a Jungian sychronicity sense or in the conventional Panglossian/religious sense, I ask a simple question from simple set theory:
How many times did the coincidence NOT occur? That's your denominator.
What basis is there to believe everything has a purpose, outside of wishing it so? I mean, like, real, evidentiary basis in the natural world, not in a Bronze-Age text of multiple authors full of mutually contradictory information, ethical and otherwise.
What, pray tell, was the "purpose" of 40 million deaths in 1918-19 from influenza?
I think Hume is getting at the answer in his famous Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion, as well as Bertrand Russell on Why I am Not a Christian -- easily extended to any at least Western religion.
Iguana's closest to it: chance (or "stochastic") processes act in conjunction with deterministic processes, as they do in evolution for example, to create self-ramifying complexity -- whether in daily life or in the history of life. A healthy respect for largeness -- whether of time intervals or of numbers of events or individuals or potential events -- is absolutely critical to understanding how not only evolution works, but also why coincidences, while justly entertaining, have little to do with dieties, or such dieties' interest in little ol' us.
To raise these contingent events to the level of meaningfulness outside of ourselves (and they have great meaning at our human level -- "Hey, what're you doing here? How cool! Let's go get a drink!") presupposes a hubristic and arrogant belief in the universe-wide importance of humanity that frankly can be rejected while still maintaining a belief in a diety. Who said we are so important, even to Him (or Her, or It)? Yes, the Judeo-Christian-Islamic texts say we are, but they are not the only potential forms of religious belief. Just what we grew up with.
Hume, especialy, is great at reducing the rampant anthropomorphizing to absurdity.
Anyway, if the above seemed too harsh, I apologize. Just being open and answering the question honestly, according to my lights.
Might as well throw Candide in here, too, in case anyone hasn't read it, or hasn't in a while.
OK, obviously, I'm interested in this, but this'll be my last post -- don't want to monopolize!
normaljew: How can we, you, or your Hasidic rebbe presume to know the mind of God? How do we know that He knows exactly what he's doing?
Also, I think you mean "good purpose," even though you don't say it. How do we know a diety has that in mind, or that we could even understand what that eventual good is? Or even agree, with our puny minds?
I'm basically paraphrasing Hume here, so go to the genius for more...enough from me.
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OK, I lied. One more: Mark Twain's "Letters From The Earth".
I have never been able to decide if fate or destiny exist. Sometimes I think so, other times definatly not. So I view bad luck as karma--from something I did in this life and/or something I did in a previous life.
On rare occasions, I belive in divine intervention. But it's rare.
As you can imagine Barbara, I have struggled with this quite a bit lately!
I don't believe that God CAUSES things to happen, but I do believe that He allows things to happen sometimes. In my particular instance, I honestly believe that during this time of waiting for a second opinion (and the collision of too many other 'coincidental' circumstances), that He is using this waiting time to draw me closer to Him...to remind me that while medicine and friends and family are all good, all that I really need is God, regardless of the outcome. I have likened all the waiting to that feeling of having lost your car keys and not being to go anywhere regardless of how desperately you need to 'get out' of the current situation. So, my analogy is that God has moved my car keys so that all I can do is just sit with Him...no running from the situation, no 'medicating' through being busy or filling my head with thoughts and opinions of other people. Do I believe that God inflicted me with this illness? No, I don't. But I do believe that if I lean into Him while I struggle that He will ultimately use it for good, either in my own life or in others (or both).
With regard to the fun stuff that happens -- like running into neighbors half way around the world -- I think God delights in giving us little jewels along our journey...things that bless our day. I wonder how many of those types of blessings I have missed because I was too busy blaming God for the other stuff in my life that were a direct result of my own decisions?!
With regard to knowing who God is...I believe that God is who He says He is! Since I believe in Him as my Creator, I am in no position to sit in judgment of Him, as I deem Him far superior to me. He reveals Himself through scripture, and any aberration of that is my own human limitations on understanding a Supreme being.
We as human have what is called pattern recognition, wherein when things happen similarly or on more than one occasion it is a pattern, thus we concieve that there is something in control of these things, such as a god or a higher power.
Think about it though, there are over 6 billion people onthis planet and hundred of millions of similar scenarios playing out all over the world, why would there not be a chance of some repeat or even random events, that although seem impossible, they are only just improbible.
There is no divine hand guiding us along, no power who know what is going on. Life is just a series of random choices that effect each other. When we look back on things in life, it all seems to fit together, but not becuase it was destined to be so.
Why do we always think we are more important than we really are? Is that too harsh?
Our attempts to explain are our attempts to give meaning to life. We recognise that they are only attempts, and that ultimately life is unexplainable. All our attempts are fictions and are bounded by the limits of language. Language, in whatever form, is an event like everything else, ie, it fills time. As such, it is also a candidate for explanation.
I apologise for the somewhat cryptic tone, but hey, we're dealing with fundamentals here. Believing something is the case does not make it true.
anonymous -- cryptic, but fascinating. Can you expand on it? Can't see whether you're being sceptical (in the strict sense) or not...if so, whence the introduction of truth (capital-T) later on in the post?
I understand it's a quick comment on a blog, but it piqued my interest...
No not sceptical, but just recognising that the tools we use to analyse, to find meaning are themselves subject to analysis. We might discover things that are true, things that are bounded by language, but there is no Truth in which all these things participate.
In 1977, at the entrance of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, I bumped into a woman I used to talk to every summer in Stratford-upon-Avon, England (she worked at the library there). I myself lived in Paris at the time. How's that for a coincidence?
For my part I don't think G-d had anything to do with our meeting there.
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