A Good Argument vs. A Mean-Spirited Battle
Even though Thanksgiving day was marred by circumstances beyond my control, the absence of my father, the illness of my daughter and the distance from my son, it still turned out to be a very good day. Sometimes, when we least expect it, a day we think will be difficult turns out to be joyful in its own way. Our daughter is getting better, and responding well to the treatment, and making very good progress. To me, this was indeed a very great blessing, and one that made the day special.
As many know by now from reading my blog for months, I love a good argument. Unfortunately, because of the difficulties in my life, I have not been able to post my usual questions of the day, asking for most of your opinions, from politics, to religion to life-style. Being able to see how people view an issue, and more specifically make their points, is thrilling. Most people are kind, passionate and good, and argue with respect for others. Then there are those I have noticed, who turn an argument into a personal attack, resulting in mean-spirited accusations going back and forth. I too can be guilty of this knee jerk angry behavior, and when attacked it is possible for me to fight back in an unpleasant way. I can tell you ipso facto, that afterwards, when I get like this, I regret it and wish that the mean words could dissolve like an alka-seltzer tablet in water.
In the prayer books, for the Jewish High Holidays, we are asked to watch our tongues, and measure our words carefully before we speak. Sometimes, when we feel attacked, it is difficult to retain such composure, but some people come out no matter what is said with a full set of gloves on read to swing hard and hit below the belt. There are some people, whose souls are filled with anger and hate, I have noticed, and begin by insulting a persons mind, body and character. Do they hope that they can whip us into shape by their hard words? This can be done even if the individual does not know the other person. For example, the other day, I made a comment on someone's blog, not directed to this person in particular, and found myself being called a fat cow, obese, a bad mother, and then was threatened and told that a virus would be sent to my computer. This person does not know me, what I look like, or anything, how often I visit my daughter, if visiting hours are limited, nothing, yet felt the need to "hit below the belt" and be unkind and hateful. Why do people respond like this? What do they hope to gain? Does it not say more about them then it does about us? This is not just limited to the veil of safety from the computer, as I know people who can be equally vicious in person, and when something is said, instead, of taking a breathe, the individual comes out with a personal, hateful attack. Frankly, I do not hurt so much when this is done, as I know who I am, but wonder what it is inside a person's soul that makes him/her be so angry and hateful? We may say, consider the source, the person is sick, was abused, has issues, but do these explanations really provide an excuse for such unpleasant behavior? Is it always so easy to accept those as they are and walk away?
I read something in a book a few years ago that helped me to become quieter inside. It said, when feeling like saying something mean, stop, take a deep breathe, and stay still as a log. The feelings of anger, hate, resentment and pain will stop, and you can let go.
For those who have a long weekend, I wish you a good and peaceful day, and hope that all good comes to be.
Thank you for your minds.
As many know by now from reading my blog for months, I love a good argument. Unfortunately, because of the difficulties in my life, I have not been able to post my usual questions of the day, asking for most of your opinions, from politics, to religion to life-style. Being able to see how people view an issue, and more specifically make their points, is thrilling. Most people are kind, passionate and good, and argue with respect for others. Then there are those I have noticed, who turn an argument into a personal attack, resulting in mean-spirited accusations going back and forth. I too can be guilty of this knee jerk angry behavior, and when attacked it is possible for me to fight back in an unpleasant way. I can tell you ipso facto, that afterwards, when I get like this, I regret it and wish that the mean words could dissolve like an alka-seltzer tablet in water.
In the prayer books, for the Jewish High Holidays, we are asked to watch our tongues, and measure our words carefully before we speak. Sometimes, when we feel attacked, it is difficult to retain such composure, but some people come out no matter what is said with a full set of gloves on read to swing hard and hit below the belt. There are some people, whose souls are filled with anger and hate, I have noticed, and begin by insulting a persons mind, body and character. Do they hope that they can whip us into shape by their hard words? This can be done even if the individual does not know the other person. For example, the other day, I made a comment on someone's blog, not directed to this person in particular, and found myself being called a fat cow, obese, a bad mother, and then was threatened and told that a virus would be sent to my computer. This person does not know me, what I look like, or anything, how often I visit my daughter, if visiting hours are limited, nothing, yet felt the need to "hit below the belt" and be unkind and hateful. Why do people respond like this? What do they hope to gain? Does it not say more about them then it does about us? This is not just limited to the veil of safety from the computer, as I know people who can be equally vicious in person, and when something is said, instead, of taking a breathe, the individual comes out with a personal, hateful attack. Frankly, I do not hurt so much when this is done, as I know who I am, but wonder what it is inside a person's soul that makes him/her be so angry and hateful? We may say, consider the source, the person is sick, was abused, has issues, but do these explanations really provide an excuse for such unpleasant behavior? Is it always so easy to accept those as they are and walk away?
I read something in a book a few years ago that helped me to become quieter inside. It said, when feeling like saying something mean, stop, take a deep breathe, and stay still as a log. The feelings of anger, hate, resentment and pain will stop, and you can let go.
For those who have a long weekend, I wish you a good and peaceful day, and hope that all good comes to be.
Thank you for your minds.

24 Comments:
Good post there, Barbara. Glad that Thanksgiving turned out not so bad.
Sometimes it is really difficult to take that deep breath but it is definitely the best course of action. I guess some people just need to lash out occassionally, for whatever reason. Sometimes it hurts, sometimes it is almost comical, usually it just results in hard feelings.
Great post!
Within the blogosphere I have encountered a lot of mean spirited behavior. I don't have any explanations for it, but then again it really doesn't bother me.
People don't have the power to hurt you unless you give it to them.
My own blog provides plenty of fodder for trying to hurt me. It offers a list of insecurities and ideas as well as strengths. In short it shows that I am human as does your own blog.
It is too bad that some people resort to name calling ,but sometimes that is all that they have.
Absoutely, GM & JS
Sometimes it is difficult to pull away and breathe. I too have lashed out when I have felt attacked, which is wrong.
Some people, however, respond with anger and the gloves on to hurt, no matter what you say to them. This is quite different, I think.
I truly pity those of such small minds and spirits that the only fulfillment they can find is to demean others. My pity does not go as far as tolerance though
I have a ferocious temper as does my oldest daughter. It was gut wrenching for me to watch her struggle to control it. (she has) The key for both of us has been to take a breath and clear our minds when we feel the haze descend.
Words are like bullets, once released, you can not call them back. For our own sake and the sake of others we are obligated to measure and consider them carefully
It is good to hear your daughter is on the mend *S*
Anyone who resorts to name-calling in the course of a logical discussion or debate is obvioulsy aware of the fact that he has lost the debate. Otherwise, why resort to such childish behavior? It never helps to further along your point or belief...
Good advise about being "still." Almost always it's the best thing to do.
I'm so happy that your daughter is better. I hope that continues.
Mallory, I can relate. Both my mother and brother have very volitle tempers, and at one point, mine was above the level it is now. Like you, I had to work on it, sometimes literally having to bite my lip.
I learned, however, that words can hurt as much, if not more than swords, and that one must be careful in what he/she says and how he/she responds, for the self and others. To me, it says more about who we are when we begin with anger. It is truly the case that I like myself better knowing it is in abatement today.
Sounds like you have done a good job with your daughter too.
GC - I agree. Sometimes these responses are childish, and come from a place of great pain.
Tan Lucy, staying still is a challenge, but the rewards are worthwhile.
great to hear that she is responding well to the new treatments yeah!
hope she gets out of the hospital soon
I recently got into a 'blog' argument that turned nasty. I was a bit to blame for it, responding w/the knee-jerk response to a tone i thought condenscending. Since i am new to blogging i cut myself some slack over the whole thing. But learned also. i found out I hate nasty arguments. & even when you think you are right, there is a time to just cut it short & move on.
Like Mallory says, words are bullets once they are out you can't take them back.
It's good if you can delete them before anyone sees them, though.
Barbara, glad your daughter's treatment is going well! And I'm so glad that your holiday turned out well, too.
I tend to be conflict-avoidant. When I do lash out, I always regret it.
First of all, Barbara, I am so happy to learn that your daughter's health is improving with the treatment. Thank God!
Second, I just have to compliment you again for the great posts you put up at your blog. You are such a thoughtful, kind, and warm person. You make people feel comfortable here. I like that about you.
Third, regarding the subject matter at hand, people who resort to hateful behavior such as name calling and put-downs are disgracing themselves. I know it hurts. I get hurt when somebody does that to me. I don't give people much of a chance though, and if I am confronted with someone who treats me that way, I will tell them to stop without resorting to their tactics myself. The fact that I can feel hurt is one reason I try not to hurt others.
Why some people are hateful may be less about their own anger and more about wanting to appear tough due to their feeling insecure in a situation. But then, let's face it, some people are just plain mean and they like being mean.
I don't have much of an anger problem myself at least not anymore. I think age has a mellowing effect on one's temper. I may be too laid back at this point in my life in fact. Of course, my husband might have a different opinion of me. But we won't ask him.
Thank you all for your kind words and good wishes.
Biting one's tongue (when feeling anger) has become an art form. I am a long way from mastering it, but I can do it today.
Swami Muktananda said, "Never speak the truth in a way that hurts others."
Then there's the old adage, "There but for the grace of God go I."
"Just when I felt as if I was becoming closer to God and the Torah, it seems as if now, this individual is ripping me away, pulling me into another direction. "
Barbara. I think God deserves better compitition than that....
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Glad your Thanksgiving was pleasant, in spit of the difficulties. I'm very happy your daughter continues to improve - that's the best news of all.
So glad you had a happy T-giving.
Woohoo!
Scott W, beautiful quote.
Thank you Fred, and Mr. HK and his special humor are always welcome.
David, a point very well made.
I'm still practicing the art of tongue biting myself. I don't have much of a temper to speak of. I'll take most criticism like a grain of salt. However, when it comes to my family and something being said against any of them... let's just say I have a long way to go with restraining uglyness.
I have no idea what inspires some to be so cruel. The vast majority of those I've "met" seem genuine and sincere. I try to hang on the positives and ignore the rest. I guess some just feel comfortable exposing the ugly side of themselves while remaining relatively anonymous. I think it's sad... but I doubt if people like that care what I think. I'm glad you're feeling better about the whole situation though. I was a little concerned. I've too have been called names, it hurts. But I try to remind myself that no one who really knows me (or reads regularly) would ever make such callous and judgemental remarks.
I saw the "discussion" you mentioned and was appalled, but kept quiet. However - I'm not so sure that's the right thing to so either - it feels a bit cowardice to me not to support someone treated unfairly..
So I'll tell you here - I am sorry you were attacked in this unfair way, and I am sorry I didn't say so.
I don't like conflicts and I try to avoid them. But sometimes saying something could help someone else..
Barbara, You can always delete their comments if you feel it is uncalled for. Before long they will quit commenting and leave you alone.
I know it is better to hold the tongue, but when I let go, I always feel bad later.
I will use that log strategy next time to rid myself of hate. I'm interested in reading some Jewish books, but where would you suggest to be a good place to start? Your experience sounds like someone poisoning the well. It is almost more alarming than hurtful that people choose to act in such a selfish way. They need to realize we all drink from the same source. We all have the chance to purify our essence, and give back something a little more clear.
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