Friday, June 24, 2005

Part III: The Downing Street Memo: Why the Mainstream Media is Catching On

The Downing Street Memo continues to spread in American political discussion despite efforts to dismiss its significance by many special interest groups. Thanks to the many media stories, and bloggers, such as yourself, this document which outlines how the Bush Admiinistration made up its own mind to attack Iraq and then went on to justify it afterwards is garnering much attention. Here is the website: http://www.downingstreetmemo.com . In one of the memos, British Foreign Office political director Peter Ricketts asks whether the Bush administration had a clear and complelling military reason for war.

Mr. Bush's popularity rate is at an all time low, and there are reported divisions within the Republican party on his position regarding Iraq. Senator Linsey Graham was this morning reported as questioning the decision to remain in this country where we are spending billions of American dollars and putting more lives in jeopardy.

The Downing Street Memo is significant because it really represents two stories: an emerging alternative history of how the United States came to attack Iraq and a story of how the News Media has usurped some of the old media's power to set the agenda. Many supporters of Mr. Bush and his administration are making an effort to diminish the importance of this story, or create a spin leaving the American to question the validity of the memo, feeling like a hamster on a tred-mill going along for a ride and unable to get off.

The real issue, and one which is most significant, is whether the Downing Street Memo warrants an investigation by Congress. If in fact the American people were misled to war, and more than 1700 American lives were lost and more lives and families wounded and shattered, costing billions of tax payer dollars, the American public, meaning you, me, and everyone, has a right to know.

Thank you for your minds.

37 Comments:

Blogger Meegan said...

This all makes me feel hopeless, so I can't really do anything but feel disgusted with the hypocrisy. I would laugh, but that doesn't seem right when so many people have died needlessly because of Bush's lies.

And then when people question this memo, Republicans dismiss it and people like Scott say: "Remember that there were others that stated Saddam had WMD including Bill Clinton and John Kerry." Yeah, and? Therefore we don't deserve an explanation? The Republicans made damn sure that Clinton was held accountable for his hanky-panky with Monica, but when it comes to this, it's time to focus on our "duty" in Iraq and not to question authority.

12:42 PM  
Blogger erinberry said...

Contrary to your hopes, scott, it's not going away. But if you'd rather keep your head in the sand, go right ahead.

12:54 PM  
Blogger TLP said...

Well, if we could investigate semen stains on a blue dress, we should be able to get this thing investigated.

1:37 PM  
Blogger Meegan said...

HA HA, Tan Lucy!! And so true.

2:10 PM  
Blogger BarbaraFromCalifornia said...

Actually, Scott, the DSM is big news now. Univision.com picked up the story. Newsday, the Houston Chronicle and the SF Chronicle published stories this week, not to mention the Detroit Free Press, stating it is too significant to be dismissed as simply old news, as the White House would like, or left to historians.

I have links to these stories, but am not able to post them in a comments. (not completely computer savy yet, unfortunately.)

2:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I understand that you probably didn't want us to go to war and you don't think the costs justify us staying in war now, but do you really believe that this is the really a Smoking Gun?

2:42 PM  
Blogger erinberry said...

Scott, John Conyers held a hearing on it just last Thursday.

Here are a handful of articles that talk about the DSM: international, national and local. Even my hometown newspaper, the Memphis Commercial Appeal, has been running stories about it. And just yesterday, Cheney was asked about it in a CNN interview.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/csm/20050621/ts_csm/adowning_1

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-usbrit0623,0,6530872.story?coll=ny-leadworldnews-headlines

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/chitribts/20050624/ts_chicagotrib/bushtotakebattletohomefront

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/16/downing.street.memo/index.html?section=cnn_latest

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/23/cheney.interview/index.html

http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,15668483%255E912,00.html

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-06-16-democrats-memo_x.htm?csp=34

2:48 PM  
Blogger erinberry said...

"Fixed means Organized in Brit."

As I said in a previous post here, that was a silly attempt to brush off this story. My husband is British, and we recently had two guests visiting from Britain. All three said that the attempt was "bollocks."

2:50 PM  
Blogger erinberry said...

You are right about one thing: Kerry needs to speak up about the DSM like he said he would. But I won't hold my breath on that one.

The Democrats need to grow a spine and demand action on this issue.

2:52 PM  
Blogger The Lazy Iguana said...

The democrats can not really demand anything. The republicans have control of the congress and the white house.

Any calls to investigate anything is blasted by the other side as "whining" and "obstructing the real agenda".

And say it is found that the war is built on made up stuff. What do we do then? Pull out and allow some taliban-like govenment to take power?

It is too late for rational thinking. We are in Iraq, and will be there for at least a decade. And things will NOT get better, just like the occupation of the West Bank has not made Israel safer from suicide bombers.

To me the choice is clear. When it is time to start the draft, draft the children of those who voted for Bush first.

3:14 PM  
Blogger BarbaraFromCalifornia said...

Lazy Iguana,

My son is the same age as the Bush daughters. I say, when they go to Iraq, I will be the first to make sure my son signs up too, Ivy League education and all!

3:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It seems obvious from the memo and other earlier account (Clark etc) that we were misled. The question will be...will Americans care that they were misled into the war or do they think Presidents have the right to keep things from them in order to get support for what they want to do. I would hope they care, but I'm not sure they will.

4:57 PM  
Blogger Lila said...

Yup. Tan Lucy Pez's (nasty!) thought is pretty much my thought too. We should know what happened. In the grand scheme of things, this would be more serious than Watergate (forget Monicagate!)....

7:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

my comment is general. it amazes me that people here (whether citizens or politicians) don't question things, don't look into the "why's". we just take what people say (politicians or media) as fact and keep going. when people do question or comment that maybe this country could be wrong about something, they are severely critized -- what happened to free speech and the ability to actually think?

i find it strange that for the first couple of years of the bush presidency, no one seemed to notice there was no vice-president around. people i asked couldn't even say what he looked like -- he just recently came into the picture. no one seems to question?

about the memo, i think if the government wants to downplay it, they can try to control the media and it will get pushed aside. we'll see.

5:01 AM  
Blogger Bill said...

I'm late in the loop here... but look, hindsight is always 20/20... ok, so there were no WMD's... who cares? I don't... I do care that a murderous dictator who killed thousands of his own people is gone, and on trial...

I do care that the policies of this administration, while not exactly popular have resulted in no further attacks on *our* soil.

I do care that there was little, if any, world intelligence suggesting Iraq had *no* WMD's... Russia, England the US... all agreed, so they were wrong, Ok...

But still, millions of Iraq's citizens are out from under the boot of Saddam... their government is getting its footing, and in another 18 months or so, we'll be all but out of there.

The terrorists, are so frustrated at this point that their targetting the entire Iraq population, not just one sect, everyone. Why, because the populace is supporting the new government, despite the threat of harm. Why, because they know, from where they came, and what they never want to live like again.

Just my .02... thanks for a lively debate here, I enjoyed the post, and all the comments!! :)

7:11 AM  
Blogger Scott W said...

Is it really about freeing people from a murderous Saddam? There are people the world over that are being oppressed and murdered, does W seek intervention there? What happened to the search for Osama bin Laden? Will we ever know the truth about anything? Does our government insist on keeping its citizens scared in order to keep the masses in line?

7:20 AM  
Blogger Meegan said...

Wow, Bill, any chance we can come visit you in the alternate universe you're living in? I think your average Iraqi citizen would find your thoughts quite amusing. You're certainly entitled to your opinion and I'm not trying to be rude, but come on. How many of you war-supporters were all that concerned with the fate of Iraqi citizens BEFORE we started bombing them? Because I don't recall hearing all that much about the need to bring democracy to Iraq for the sake of the people. Now, suddenly the Iraqi people are conservatives' number one concern. You must be calling for "liberation" of Iran and North Korea, as well? I'm not falling for it. This makes me sick.

7:32 AM  
Blogger BarbaraFromCalifornia said...

Bill,
You say, who cares if Iraq had WMD, well I for one do, and here is why.

Our taxpayer dollars are being used to support the War in Iraq. The basis upon which Bush presented to Congress for invading Iraq was because this country posed an imminent threat to the U.S. He claimed they harbored terrorists, and that that they possessed WMD. Now, if you remember in 2001, the Bush administration concluded that Al Queda and Bin Laden were in fact responsible for the attack on U.S. soil. So we briefly invaded Afganastan, which has now become a forgotton war. There is no nexus or causal relationship between Saadam being taken down and lack of attacks here. I am not a fan of Saadam. In fact, I think Israel is better off now that he is gone. As an American, however, who loves this country, I do resent being misled into war. Moreover, I think that these kinds of mistatements, and lies create a bad example for our children in this country. I think, as a country, who has lost more than 1700 men and women, with more wounded and injured, and countless billions spent, we deserve an investigation and an explanation.

7:37 AM  
Blogger erinberry said...

update from my previous commment: Kerry has written a letter to the Select Committee on Intelligence, asking for answers to the questions raised by the DSM.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2005/kerry_downing_street_letter_624.htm

8:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The sad thing about the whole thing, really, is that. America unbeknowingly turned over the store to a bunch of corrupt thugs who we're only too happy to take it off your hands.

Therefore, what once was a great, not perfect but great country, is now one of the most hated among the world.

I feel bad for Americans, losing a lot of their cultural integrity without even having a choice, because I know 95% of Americans are better than that.

8:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But seriously, don't give up. Don't ever give up.

When you accept the way things are, you're an active participant in making them worse.

One thing I've always loved about Americans is the same thing I've always loved about Canadians. Never give up.

I really enjoy this page. I'm going to put a link to it up on my page.

8:41 AM  
Blogger erinberry said...

Bill, I can't say I understand how you are ok with your government lying to you in order to justify a war that has cost billions of dollars and thousands of lives.

"I do care that the policies of this administration, while not exactly popular have resulted in no further attacks on *our* soil."

To equate the two is an erroneous leap in logic. One is not a result of the other.

"Russia, England the US... all agreed, so they were wrong, Ok..."

That statement is meaningless. As eloquently stated by downingstreetmemo.com:

"While it’s true that many governments suspected Saddam had WMD, there was no agreement as to what his actual capabilities were, or on what to do about it. Further, simply believing something to be true does not make it so, and certainly does not form a basis for war.

The administration never had a “smoking gun” to prove Saddam had WMD, and in fact the intelligence supporting the administration’s view was alarmingly thin. As we now know from various reports, US intelligence affirming WMD frequently came from paid informants who, in some cases, were later proven to be fabricators. There was virtually no intelligence coming out of Iraq itself—the country was impenetrable, leaving the US and others with little in the way of credible sources.

That President Bush believed Saddam had WMD is not in dispute. The issue is whether he was justified in taking the nation to war on the basis of his beliefs, absent any hard evidence (like pictures of missiles in Cuba, to take a historical example).

It is also worth noting that while there was a range of opinion (and widespread error) as to Saddam’s chemical and biological weapons capability, there certainly was not a consensus. On the issue of nuclear weapons is a different story the US and UK stood nearly alone in their dire assessment. It was also on this issue that the administration demonstrated its carelessness with intelligence by claiming that Iraq had sought nuclear material from Niger. The fact that the President made this claim in a State of the Union address is all the more troubling, especially given that the same statement was pulled from a speech he gave just a few months earlier."

8:42 AM  
Blogger BarbaraFromCalifornia said...

Another reason I think it matters as to whether Iraq had WMD is that if this President misled the country about the motives for invading Iraq, it will bear evidence on his continued fitness for office. That is to say, this type of offense could very well fall under the definition of a High Crime and Misdemeanor as defined by Article 1. (see my post below.) This of course is a seperate question from the one warranting an investigation into the DSM, which is the first step in informing this country about the truth.

9:54 AM  
Blogger mireille said...

Bill: who cares? The wives, husbands, children, parents of the approaching 1800 dead American soldiers and the approaching 13,000 wounded -- many brain injured. And those who wonder where the $178,900,000,000 - to date - cost of the war is coming from.

10:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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2:49 PM  
Blogger mysickmind said...

I think the media is trying to figure out what to do with it...

Facts...

The media hates Bush, anything they can use to destroy him will be used

They are unsure of the reliability of a COPIED document (not original) that is at best, vague to begin with... (ghosts of Dan Rather?)

There would no "catching on" if they thought they could actually use this, but this is a bit flimsy...

5:56 AM  
Blogger Bill said...

Bohica, thanks, you stated much more clearly than I, my feelings on the media and their 'slant' on things.

I'm sorry if my 'who cares' inferred I didn't care about the soldiers... I do.. as a Vietnam vet I know, possibly more than most, the 'casualties of war'. Both during, and after the fact.

I also know the effects of a non-unified nation and the non-stop bickering, on the troops, while they're fighting, and dying.

When I said 'Who cares', I was referring to the 'reasons'... I don't care about the reasons, I do care about getting the job done, and the boys home.

As for the citizens of Iraq, finding my thoughts amusing, well I talk (or type) with several people, on the ground in Iraq, military and civilian, they're all complaining the media is not giving the real situation there a fair shake. The the 'average' person they're in contact with, is very happy we came.

8:45 AM  
Blogger erinberry said...

"When I said 'Who cares', I was referring to the 'reasons'... I don't care about the reasons, I do care about getting the job done"

Bill, a lesson in planning: If you don't know the reasons why you are doing something, you can not possibly know when you have gotten the job done.

9:14 AM  
Blogger mysickmind said...

You don't need to know the reasons, only the objectives... the final result is all that matters

3:12 PM  
Blogger yochanan said...

Iraq had W.M.D.'S he used them on the KURDS. THE ???? is when did he get rid of them? Hindsight may be 20/20 but even that is not if you choose be look at things through rose colored glasses.

But that was only one of the many reasons for this war.

My reason for supporting it is that it was the only way to take Saddam out of power. Saddam commited Genocide against the Kurds as two different parts of my family have been victums of genocide this matters to me.

The question I ask how else would we have taken saddam out of power? If we had not gone in he would still be putting people into his mass graves.

3:14 PM  
Blogger Bill said...

erinberry, I repectfully disagree.

I complete projects all the time without know 'why' they're being done. It's irrelevant to me 'why', all I need to know is the desired outcome. I have the tools to get from here, to there, without knowing 'why'.

6:28 AM  
Blogger erinberry said...

bill: Working in a silo is an inferior method. Understanding the big picture and keeping that at the forefront of all your work reduces the chances for misunderstandings, allows for additional creativity in developing solutions, and eliminates double-work.

9:58 AM  
Blogger yochanan said...

About that memo ...

Published June 29, 2005


Since it was first published in the British press in May, the so-called Downing Street memo has generated debate about the Bush administration's intentions of going to war.

Critics of the Iraq war have seized on the document--minutes of a July 23, 2002, meeting between British Prime Minister Tony Blair and his senior government leadership--as proof that the Bush administration was hell-bent for war even as it publicly sought to bring Saddam Hussein to heel through diplomacy.

War critics have focused on a section of the document in which a British spy agency chief, identified as C, discussed a recent visit to Washington. "Military action was now seen as inevitable," the spy chief reported. "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and the facts were being fixed around policy." British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw agreed that it seemed Bush "had made up his mind to take military action."

War was clearly an option at that time, as the British discussed. But remember: This was the British version of the events then forming in Washington. U.S. media outlets at the time were also reporting on the growing possibility of war, a war that would not occur for another eight months as the U.S. and British exhausted diplomatic efforts through the United Nations.

It's hard to find a smoking gun in the Downing Street memo, unless you're intent on finding one. At least two subsequent events argue that, contrary to the spy chief's assessment, Bush in July of 2002 did not see war as inevitable.

Four months later, in November, the United Nations Security Council approved Resolution 1441, sponsored by the U.S., which required Iraq to submit to weapons inspections and disclose any elements of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons programs. This page has long argued that war could well have been averted if the UN had been willing to enforce its resolution.

Six months after the Downing Street memo, UN weapons inspector Hans Blix reported in detail on Iraq's failure to cooperate with inspectors. If Iraq had cooperated, it would have defused any U.S. intention to go to war. Iraq did not.

The memo, and other documents obtained by Michael Smith, a defense writer in Britain, do show us something. They show us how governments prepare to go to war.

These documents provide some of the words and thoughts of the players involved in the Iraq crisis. The documents show us the strain on policymakers, give us a look backstage as British officials report on meetings with key U.S. officials.

The documents show decisions were not made in a vacuum. They came in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Straw noted in a March 2002 memo that had those attacks not occurred, "it is doubtful that the U.S. would now be considering military action against Iraq."

The documents also laid out the options policymakers faced: whether to proceed with the policy of containing Iraq through economic sanctions or to topple Hussein's regime. In hindsight, from these memos, a careful reader can piece together how and why the U.S. and British governments came together on the decision to go to war. "In sum, despite the considerable difficulties, the use of overriding force in a ground campaign is the only option that we can be confident will remove Saddam and bring Iraq back into the international community," was the conclusion of a 10-page options paper from March 2002--months before the Downing Street memo--prepared by the Overseas and Defense Secretariat of the Cabinet Office.

That paper weighed two possibilities for post-Saddam Iraq: rule by a Sunni military strongman or a representative democratic government. The paper acknowledged that for a democratic government to survive, "it would require the U.S. and others to commit to nation building for many years."

And that's where we are today--building a representative democratic government for Iraq.

Chicago tribune

12:56 PM  
Blogger yochanan said...

LONDON - British Prime Minister Tony Blair said Wednesday the “Downing Street memos” paint a distorted picture, and he insisted that the Iraq war was not predetermined by the United States.

“People say the decision was already taken. The decision was not already taken,” he said in an exclusive interview with The Associated Press.

Blair added he was “a bit astonished” at the intensive U.S. media coverage about the leaked memos, which actually were leaked minutes of a July 23, 2002, meeting between Blair and top government officials at his Downing Street office. ...

“The trouble with having a political discussion on the basis of things that are leaked is that they are always taken right out of context. Everything else is omitted from the discussion and you end up focusing on a specific document,” he said.

“It would be absolutely weird if, when the Iraq issue was on the agenda, you were not constantly raising issues, trying to work them out, get them in the right place,” he said.

Details of the memos appeared in British newspapers last month but the news in Britain quickly turned to the May 5 election that returned Blair to power. In the United States, however, the revelations raised criticism among opponents of the Bush administration.

“I am a bit astonished at how this has received such coverage in the U.S. because the fact is, after the memo was done, we went to the United Nations,” Blair said.

“What people forget about that memo is that that (it) occurred nine months before the conflict. ... So whatever issues there were, we resolved them ultimately by saying we have got to give it one last chance to work peacefully.”

3:25 PM  
Blogger BarbaraFromCalifornia said...

yochanan,

I would be most interested in your views on the Ten Commandments in my post above.

5:49 PM  
Blogger yochanan said...

Barbara ask the Kurds if Saddam had WMD'S he used them on them.

No one lied!!!!

Saddam used poison gas dropped from planes on the Kurdish People.

2:20 PM  
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